BEN: Welcome to the Idaho Leader Podcast, this is your host, Ben Davidson. The Idaho Leader Podcast is the place to meet and learn from Idaho’s best. You’ll be inspired and entertained as Idaho’s most interesting and influential business professionals share success stories, challenges, networking ideas and career tips.
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Now, let’s get to the show. I’m super excited to introduce our guest for today, Cosmo Zimik. From where in Idaho are you joining us, Cosmo?
COSMO: Yes, I’m right here in my dojo, Empty Hand Combat in Nampa Downtown.
BEN: Cosmo is a 6th degree black belt. He runs a dojo in Nampa, Idaho, that’s called Empty Hand Combat. He was born into a tribal war in India where he was trained as a black belt and a street fighter from the age of 9. He was tortured and left for dead at the age of 17.
Cosmo has an intimate working knowledge of battle and struggle. During his long weeks of recovery, he was nursed to health by a total stranger deep in the jungle, that’s when the seed of Empty Hand Revolution germinated in Cosmo’s mind. There’s a book about him named Empty Hand Revolution that I started reading yesterday, and it’s just fascinating and tells about his journey, so I can’t wait to hear some of that on the interview.
COSMO: Yeah.
BEN: Four years of underground fight clubs, multiple contracts on his life and another near-death experience for Cosmo’s Empty Hand Revolution into full fruition.
So, Cosmo, I’ve told just a little bit about you but we want to know more, so please tell us about your friends, family and other interests.
COSMO: Yeah. I em…came to Idaho about 14 years ago and in fact, in India, there were…there were going to kill me. So, I was engaged to this nice lady, a missionary in China from California, her name is Sarah Zimik. So, my wife, we were at the time engaged and eh…so, I was praying where to go and eh…I have lots of friends around the world as we do a lot of stunts, Kungfu stunts and then we talk about Jesus.
And so, I had some friend in America and so I came here and…I was looking around, which part of America I should go and I had a friend right here in Eagle, Idaho, so I came up here and I fell in love with Idaho, so, since then I eh…I married Sarah in…brought her here and we are here. We are here for about 14 years …I’m rather excited, I’m here to help with the community and eh…ready for the lot of awesome stories I’m excited to hear…share today, so, we’re right here in Downtown, Nampa.
BEN: Alright, please start us off with some words to live by that inspire you to greatness.
COSMO: Yeah, em…my dad…he’s like the good cop and bad cop in my life. I have a [inaudible] about my dad and he eh…always gave me all this word in my life. One of the things he said was practice what you preach, walk the walk…talk is cheap. People will see by your action and not words. So, even today, I’m inspired by that word and…and I try my best as ready at heart but it’s something…I really wanted to inspire the kids right here in Nampa, to be an example.
BEN: Yeah, as I was reading your biography, I was really inspired by the challenges that you’ve overcome. So, please tell us about a challenge you’ve overcome and what it taught you and how you turned that into success.
COSMO: I was actually a little kid, 4 years old, when I first saw em…violence. Em…all these bad guys, they come and…militants they come and eh…one of the militants was trying to hit my mom with AK47, so, I em…just ran full speed and headbutt him on his thigh, and it didn’t really do anything.
And he was going to…he turned around, and tried to smack me down and my brother took him down and took the beating, and that picture engraved in my life, and so I went and I started learning Kungfu and I went to the lot of countries. They fought underground fight and all these things and eh…so, we…we were lucky to have two meals a day…two small meals, so we survive sometime with no meals or one meal a day, so I really wanted to be a rich and powerful and eh…we were being in poverty. We make a dollar a day, now they make two dollars in the jungle after 30 years. Now, they make two dollars a day working 10 hours a day.
So, I…I got enrolled with some of these bad groups and eh…that was really tough kids and one day I just got injured really bad, you know, I was shot and almost died. That changed my life and then, I went to college, I was very…God is always watching out for us and eh…I can tell that through my story. So, I went to college and…and I needed some money, so there’s some fight again there and training, so one day, I coughed out blood and eh…was hospitalized. My left side of the part of…the whole left side was damaged, and it’s kind of almost half body paralyze. So, the doctor said my nerve was damaged and there is nothing they can do. I woke up that…that day, thinking, if I have 4, 5 months to…left to live, I want to serve God and I want to give back to community and I met this cool guy from [inaudible] group, a Christian group.
So, he challenged me to use my talent for God’s kingdom and…and at that time, I’m like “What! I have no talents, you know, I’m in final year of my college, but I don’t really have much talent.” Then he said, “you can use martial arts then,” that was a joke because I was limping, but he took me to Himalayas and eh…we were showing [inaudible] and the camera…the lens broke down and eh…the…this guy was really mad and angry and he wanted to actually beat us up, and he took up his swords and threatened us and…so, I told the Director of the Campus Crusade for Christ [inaudible], maybe I can show some martial arts.
So, I did some stunts and eh…broke the bubbles and I chopped the apple on his head and eh…shared a story how grateful hope, great…how our God, like how merciful He is and He gave me a second chance and I shared a story of King David, and suddenly, the whole village stood up; they wanted to know this God that we have. So, that was the day, that was the night I came back in the hotel and I said, “this is what I want to do.”
So, I started looking at Bible verse because martial arts and God…martial arts and Christian, that’s funny, right? So, I look at all these Bible verse and I found 1 Corinthians 9:22, “I would become all things to all man, so, I might save some,” so that was when I started doing this ministry and I travel around the world, and then I came all the way eh…to Idaho and eh…I’d become a Chaplain, so I was a Chaplain and all these inmates, all these men locked up in prison, you know, we have around 10,000 in eh…Idaho, you know, about 4000 or 5000 locked up; the rest probation and parole and things and…but there are all these kids out there without any fathers or mothers and they are no guidance. They’re trying to enrol in something cruel and tough like gang, man, hip-hop culture.
So, there is an age group, it’s just teen and pre-teen that you and the government are not aware of or not doing much. They have PSR in all these team, but the kids are bored to death. They don’t want to do any of these government programme.
So, I started this Empty Hand Combat, a mentor program through kick-boxing…kick-boxing, right? How do you raise people that…how do you raise these kids who’s already violent, right? So, I actually teach these kids not to be violent though kick-boxing, their energy are directed towards hitting the bag, giving back, so I have 30, 40 kids that I give scholarship and sometimes, 20 of these kids would clean the same toilet on one day, they clean over and over. The toilet doesn’t look any shiner but it’s a great way for them to start working, giving back to community.
So, now we have some kids that were in the really bad crowd, went to Marine Corp…we have a girl in Nampa that was really abused, she’s in college in Seattle. We have two Hispanic gang kids that not only like change their life, but gave their life to Jesus, got baptized, now they are running my program. So, I just feel like it was all worth it in Idaho, and that’s why we want to tell people the story today is fight…fight the good fight. If you have the heart, you have the passion, things will come for you, money will come for you, volunteer…people will come for you, so we had nothing when we start off. I took my retirement out and I started this program and actually lost all the money in the beginning. But now, we have success story…the finance are coming back, it’s great to be where we’re at right now. We’re booming the business, we’re networking with the local…even the Mayor want to be part of us.
So, we have all this, we were partnering with eh…Nampa Police, going…doing the anti-drugs, anti-bully, and so this is a great feeling that you fight and fight and now you’re seeing that success in life and you’re seeing that doors open up for you, and so I’m really clear here today to share this part of the story.
BEN: Yeah, thank you. That’s so inspiring.
Em…I definitely want to talk more about this movement but eh…before we do that, I’m curious to know where the term “Open Hand Revolution” came from—the title of the biography written about you.
COSMO: Yeah, the…every time I talk to…I…every time I talk to my dad he’s talking about, “You are too much…you are too much pride, you are too much ego, you are too much…too much of your mind, come with empty hand… empty mind, you know, come to God fully empty; you got to come to God with a full cup.” So, you have to empty your cup and so God can fill it up with… can fill it up with his wisdom, with his spirit, but I live like it’s my last day, every day.
So, I wake up and I say “I want to impact someone today; I want to pray for someone today; I want to encourage someone today,” you know, and I don’t have to always give money but I just say some encouraging word and sometime you see this huge chance like, for example, these kids came in with a ankle bracelet the other day…11 years old. And I knew he was not going to listen to me, so I just prayed for him and then after a few minutes I said “do you want to just have fun out there, go punch the bag.” We wouldn’t even tell you what to do, you know, you can do whatever you want, you’re the boss here.
So, he likes that and he took off his shoes, he comes in and he punched the bag, and so after a while, I introduced him to Chava, this guy is the…in the gang…Mexican gang before, and he won five belts and his [inaudible] you know, he’s going back to Thailand next month and…this kid’s eyes lit up, and he said “I want to…I want to change my life, I want to be like Chava,” so he took only 35 minutes total to change this kid’s life and he’s a new kid today, he’s a new person. He…he wants to come back, he’s willing to even clean the toilets every day, and mop the floor and he wants to be like Chava in life, so now…I have everything in my power to bless this kid and encourage him and lead him to the right direction, you know…
BEN: Yeah, one of the things that really impresses me most is your interest in helping youths learn leadership and discipline, and I’m going to ask you a little bit about where that came from, but one of the stories that most impressed me from your biography was when you were a young boy and you were going to a village celebration and your…like you mentioned, your family was really poor, and so your mother made you a cake and wrapped it in some eh…used…notebook paper and eh…you took that with you to the celebration and convinced the other kids that it was a better cake from a better vendor but inwardly…
COSMO: Yeah.
BEN: Inwardly, you were really struggling, so can you tell us how poverty and violence kind of shaped who you are em…as a young man?
COSMO: Yeah, I was…I was always poor and so it was…culturally speaking, it’s very embarrassing. It cost like, I think, one cent or probably five cents, you know, now in one sense of the time or less. So, we got to the soccer field and they celebrate. They’re all poor but in Christmas time, they celebrate this big celebration and everybody has one cent or five cents and they go and buy like a dessert, you know, like cool stuff and they’re wrapped up in this paper and everyone show off their desserts and sure all kids has money but we’re gonna have one cent, you know, at the time. So, my mom fried out some of these beans and put a nice paper, and so I hide in my jacket and I went there and when everyone was eating, I pull off on the jacket and I pretend like I bought it, but I didn’t even have the money to but that little beans, you know, and so I was always fighting and struggling and I was the…for some reason mom really connect with me, I connect with her and I was like protector when even…when I was a kid, you know, and I was always wanting to fight—fight for freedom, fight for poverty, fight for the poor and oppressed, and so my mind grew up like that, that’s why my whole life I’ve been fighting for women, widow ah…Widow’s Program in India. My wife and I…we run a little orphanage school and we have a self-sustained widow program. So, a lot of people talk but we want to do it. As little as we offer, you know, we just always wanted to do something in our lives, so we’re going back to jungle in December again and we have all these poverty-stricken…all these people giving them hope with as little as a few hundred dollar doing dog farm, chickens, racing and all these little things because of the…the power of the dollar. If you bring there, only 300, 400 but when you convert it, it is 20000, 30000 rupees in India.
BEN: Yeah.
COSMO: So, it really helped them. So, the poverty of my childhood have helped me to become a warrior…the true warrior I am now, and a lot of people think a warrior is like with the big guns and swords and fighting, but I fight…I fight for the cause, I fight for the poor, I fight for the widows and these gangster…the kids that they have no one to turn in to.
The difference…if there is any difference, I’m like everybody, I’m nothing special, the reason I can do stuff I can do is because of the passion, so the poverty in my childhood has driven me into this passion.
BEN: The Open Hand Revolution, that’s a wonderful thing that you’ve created there to fight against poverty, to fight against oppression, fight against…one of my favourite books that I’ve ever read is called You’re your Mind Strength,” and it talks a little bit about those similar themes about physical fitness, meditation, positive thinking. Is that part of your daily routine that brings you success?
COSMO: Yes, yes.
BEN: Yeah, can you tell a…
COSMO: I am…
BEN: Can you tell us about a good habit or daily ritual that brings you success?
COSMO: Most people they…they focus a lot on business, so they just want to make money through running a gym or some people they just want to work up, you know, and so I was one of those all…old school styles, you know, all warriors, samurai kind of code that, you know, we’re tough guys. We work out the business; those are matters it’s gonna come, and so I failed and so I learned the business side of it, you know, and I’m still learning. We’re going to a conference this weekend in San Francisco, and so I’m always learning, I’m reading the book, in fact I’m a…attend…attending John Maxwell Intentional Living, things like that, so every day I wake up and of course I pray to God, I meditate, read the Bible and I just…you know, worship God for an hour or so and then I will eh…go to the dojo and…I don’t have to be here, I practice from 4 o’clock to 8 o’clock everyday but I…9 o’clock I come to dojo and I practice half an hour…half an hour or one hour just to refresh my mind, and I go about meeting people, blessing, you know, and eh…I narrowed down my meeting to people who really wants to be a part of the community, not just Empty Hand Combat or just Cosmo.
Lot of people, you know, they just want-want, take-take and they want to network and all these things but my key every day in my life is how can I bless someone, how can I bless some business, how can I encourage them? You know, how can I show my face and say hi. And so every day, I’m thinking of giving instead of taking so that really helped in my personal and business life, because a lot of time we take…we think about the crowd of the business, it’s just networking but it’s a lot more than that, you know.
BEN: Yeah, yeah, you’re right.
COSMO: Or at least in my experience.
BEN: Uhum. I agree with you. There is a lot that I think in just our…our western business-focused culture that we lose, and when I read that book “War Your Mind Strength,” it really helped me integrate some of these things into my life as well, and brought me a lot more purpose and peace.
So, tell us now about something that’s got you really excited.
COSMO: Yeah, we, I’m…like I said before, we’re giving 30, 40 kids scholarships right now in my gym, you know, it’s not so big gym but er… these kids they come and they… it’s just like their second home, they hang out here and all these things and they love us, but we’re also running business at the same time here, so what we’re doing right now is we actually want to rent this shoes warehouse right here, just a block away from my gym.
So, we are opening another gym…another school, you know, for all of the kids in Nampa and Koa in this heavy gang hitting area, we are going to give all these kids actually, free scholarships, so we’re going to teach… not 30, 40 kids, we are going to teach couple of hundred kids for free, no strings attached. They don’t have to be Christian; they just come and learn and we just share Christ by, like I said before, by walking the walk, we don’t [in-audible], we don’t preach gospel down their throats. But we show Jesus by giving them GED and driving license job, you know, semi-truck driving or kind of like job core, but like a practical job core, because you’re putting job core by force, you’re putting program by force because you have lots of trouble this and that, it’s mandatory. So, they ought to rebel us…so these 200 kids, they are seeking us, they want to be warriors, they want to fight in the ring, you know, so we’re using their energy the right way.
The reason this program worked is not because of how cool we are, how great we are…none of those, the reason this program worked is because these kids come already hungry, they want to be part of this program because it looks cool, it looks rebellious from outside, it looks like violence but once they come in, we’re all about giving back, we’re all about retaining our violence and you know using our energy the right way, like I talk about Chava, he’s a Mexican kid that was in the gang heavy-hitter and he won…he won the fight in Thailand and got lots of belts around Utah and [inaudible] and Seattle and Idaho, so he…he can run 10 miles, do a thousand push-ups, this and that; and then he cleaned the toilets everyday so the kids, these gang kids come in and they see Chava, just like them… another gang kid, you know, used to be gang kid…now cleaning the toilets and he goes out the ring and he just spar 20 or 30 of them every day, so that is powerful testimony to them. We don’t even talk or share but these kids they’re like, “we wanna be like Chava,” so I am like, “Oh good, now I can talk to them.” But I share about Chava, of course, but then I share to them about someone a lot bigger and greater and awesomer than Chava – that is the creator of Chava, and we talk about God. Talk about Jesus to these kids and they…most of them want to be Christians because they thought Christian were boring and lot of do’s and don’ts. I’m like, “No, you can do the craziest thing as a Christian and that’s something they don’t know about, you know.
So, we help them explore the whole side of what the man is made, how a man is supposed to be, you know, by God… by God’s grace. Not just church in the… sit in the church in the pew and the pastor’s preaching and all these men are just sitting and going home and coming back on Sunday sitting in the pew. I teach these kids to be warrior-ready God there. You know and be a warrior, adventurers, be men, you know, think sometimes because we are man, you know, we do things and stop and then…as long as your heart is pure and you want to seek God deeper, it’s okay to be the most adventurous people and they see a whole set of exciting Christians.
They all want to go to Thailand, you know, they want to be…they want to be a cool Christian that goes to Thailand and fight the Asian guys, like Chava, and win the fight. You know, so this is a whole different part of life right here in Nampa. Anybody can be involved, we don’t solicit money or this or that. We are trying the program where it’s going to cost us minimal, so we need a lot of volunteers for this and we are hoping for a real chance so we’ll contact some moviemaker for a documentary right here in Nampa, for this warehouse.
We want to make a story of Chava and his brother, Yuan, and all these kids in Nampa. Not to make ourselves big, but to make people big…to make them think that they can do it. You know, it doesn’t take million rate, it doesn’t take big church, but 1 person becomes 2, 2 becomes 4…you have the passion, you can change the city…the inner city. So, that’s the passion we have right now, and we are hoping that we gonna make these great stories, so people will replicate. They wouldn’t have to become Cosmo’s organization, Cosmo’s church, Cosmo’s this…but that people will become like my book, Empty Hand Revolution, they will replicate and be bigger and better than us. Not follow us, not become our organization but we want to create a movement, you know, we don’t want to create a building…we wanna create a movement where people will go out there and do something. That’s the motto I want to share today do something, “Do something. Talk is cheap. Let’s do something.”
BEN: Love it! Yeah, there’s definitely a lack of good quality male role models for youth nowadays, and so it’s neat to see you stepping forward and doing that and showing what real men are like, and that just because you have values doesn’t mean that you’re not a real man. So, love that!
Next time I’m in the Nampa area travelling, I think I’m gonna definitely come by your dojo because you probably have the cleanest bathrooms in Idaho.
COSMO: [laughs] Yes, that will be awesome.
BEN: Okay. Well, thanks for sharing that, and if someone wants to get involved and volunteer and help you out, how will they contact you?
COSMO: Thank you, eh…we’re right here in Nampa Downtown. They can also go to www.emptyhandcombat.com and we are available all the time and like I said before, we have no strings attached. We don’t want anything from you, we just want you to be available and we want you to have the heart, the passion, you know, to raise the community.
BEN: Perfect. Yeah, I’m on your website right now and there’s a contact button in the top right, so it looks like it’ll be easy to reach you.
Okay. Well, thank you. Eh… now, if you could tell us a networking story. We love to network here in Idaho Leader community, so tell us about networking tip or story that’s worked for you.
COSMO: Yeah, I em… I went to Chamber of Commerce and I did all the um… I learned all these American stuff of coffee and lunch and all these networks, and those are great but the best network I learned is the one I read from Laura Anthony, one of the Christian author and founder of the [inaudible] you know, fundraising is friend-raising, you know, and so…I try to…I try to set the passion and not the action, not the… not the…you know, what we are going to do, when we’re going to do but I share stories like the kids with the [inaudible] breastplate or Chava won, and now what… I try to capture their hearts and passion, so I find it really powerful because people are…I don’t raise any money, people are raising money for us, you know, and people are sharing to others…and 90 to 95 percent of our business credit is through word of mouth.
We don’t have money to advertise or anything, but we share a lot of stories and I think that story is powerful…and sometime we forget in America that, you know, people will remember your stories but they’re not going to remember your logo or brand or you know, your money…you know, because that’s everything we see…on the TV everywhere is logos, brands and everything, but I tell them stories…they always remember my stories.
BEN: That’s right. Humans were made and evolved to love stories and that’s certainly the most memorable way to make someone feel something for your cause, love it!
What is a favorite app, book or internet resource that you’d recommend to the Idaho Leader community?
COSMO: Right now, I think most people probably already read it, but I recommend them to read again “The Intentional Living,” by John Maxwell.
So, it’s a very small book…any busy person…any leader in Idaho can read it, and it’s very encouraging. And it’s something we already know, just like preaching to the choir, but it’s a reminder for us to have an intentional purpose of living…everyday, day to day and er… I’m going through it… some of our dojo, the mentor leader, some of these ex-gang kids they are going to be running the dojo, so I’m going… doing the 30-days training, “Intentional Living/John Maxwell,” with these kids, and it’s powerful …they love it, you know.
BEN: Excellent! Em… in Idaho, we’re a hardworking, grateful people. Besides your family and health, what is one thing you’re particularly grateful for right now?
COSMO: I’m a little different from most people, I eh… live on borrowed time from God, I was em… I was eh…so many times attempted on my life and so my wife brought me over here and em… cos I was going to be killed in India, no, most of my enemies they are gone actually, you know, God’s grace. But everyday, I’m just so thankful that I’m alive…I’m really thankful that I’m alive, so here we take granted…we don’t want this burger, we want this coffee with this many [inaudible], you know, we want…you know, we don’t want this, but we want that…and so we have a lot of First World problems, you know…I want I don’t want medium coffee, I want Dar coffee. But everyday I wake up, I’m just so thankful I’m alive…that I can breathe and I can give back a little bit to one kid or one of those single mum or widows or abused women.
I’m just thankful that I’m alive and I can breathe and I can give back to the community.
BEN: Alright, em…did your mom ever get to see you grow into the man that you’ve become?
COSMO: Yeah, my… I was a fighter in the jungle so I have a name there a little bit for fighting and things like that, but the thing…my dad passed away about 11 years ago and he was very very proud of me, because I was serving God and you know, I was seeking humility towards…in the jungle, there’s a lot of warrior…there’s a lot of fighter, it’s not a big deal to be a warrior and fighter but it takes a real man to humble down and to serve…and to serve your wife and things like that, so my mom is really…really proud of me of that aspect of the side.
You know, she already know I was a warrior growing up. I loved to fight…I loved to go…go get her, you know, be a man and do this, do that. And…but the…I think the…the proud moment of my mom is that I got to marry the woman and I’m serving people, I’m serving kids, I’m serving widows—that was the heart, that was the dream, that was the prayer of my mom, and I think she can die happily now, you know, she’s about 82 or 83, I think.
BEN: Did you get to bring her over to the United States?
COSMO: No, we tried a few times but she’s…I think she’s worried, she has never been in a plane. When we were engaged, Sarah and my wife came to the jungle to get engaged and er… we took her to the city and gave her Coca Cola…coke, you know, and…so she has a straw and she took a sip and she’s like “Wow! Tastes good, how much does it cost,” and we tell them, “It was 15 cents,” and she didn’t want to drink it because it was too costly.
Like mum, “we already paid for it,” but she didn’t really care, she was like “No, son, you drink it, it’s too costly for me.” 15 cents, so their [inaudible] are hard and we are always…we are always wanting to serve and we are always remembering where…where I first come from, you know.
I’m in America and I’m quite Americanized myself and sometimes I em… because of the luxury here, I take things for granted…but it’s good for us to go back there once a year, it kind of reminds us that where I come from and how thankful I need to be to God that I have…not only paying bills, but giving back to the community and things like that, you know.
Because my… one of my siblings, he is still like a farm tenders, and he make 2 dollars a day, he works 10 hours a day in the jungle, so when I go there, I pay him like for a week, you know, so he can hang out with me…a whole week, you know, so I pay him four or five thousand dollar…four or five hundred dollar, and he’s really excited, you know.
BEN: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
COSMO: Cos he makes only 2 dollars a day, otherwise to work 10 hours a day.
BEN: Wow! Hard life, hard life. I’m curious…I’m looking for eh…Chava, you mentioned this young man earlier, what’s his last name or how do you find information about him.
COSMO: He’s Chava…Chava Dora Ramires and he will be a great guy to interview next time because he is… his story is beyond our concept, you know, for first of all, I can understand him because I come from Third World, but right here in Nampa, Idaho…right here in America, you know, 4 of them with the mom living in one room…the dad abuse the mom and the mom just alcoholic. They were stealing and breaking house, and you know Nampa Downtown…car stealing, carjacking and things and beating up people for five dollars, so they can get em… a can of beer or pot or drugs or whatever you know, and so now when I leave the country, I actually leave my bank account in cash…in money, and he runs the program.
So, his job was stealing before you know, and now he runs my program. It’s a powerful story, right here in Idaho, you know.
BEN: Yeah, that is. We have truly been blessed to be able to hear your story. We thank you so much for being so generous em… please give us some parting…yeah, give us some parting advice and then share with us how we can connect with you to keep the dialogue going.
COSMO: I really want to encourage you that I know that some of you are going to be encouraged hearing all these stories…I love to tell stories, but I want to encourage you more by saying, “Do something.” You know, talk is cheap…don’t talk about it, but let’s do something. And in the midst of all these, like the last words my dad left me, even today, that the reason that I am always trying to do better is because he said, “Seek God first,” so God…if we have God in our hearts that we can do the unachievable, amazing things, so that’s the thing that I want to tell everybody today that let’s do something, and let’s seek God in the midst of this.
BEN: So, Cosmo, we sure appreciate you. We salute you, and we look forward to seeing you around the Idaho Leader community in the future.
COSMO: Yes, thank you. Thank you so much. I’m blessed to be here today.